Subject	Very misleading and somewhat meaningless. Here's why...
Posted by	~2TURBOZ~ on July 09, 1999 at 1:06 PM
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In Reply To	Stillen's New Stage Charts >>> posted by Alex Lee (DE) on July 09, 1999 at 12:53 PM
Message	For one thing HP gains mean nothing without dyno tests to back them up. 20 hp from just an intake seems high to me. Secondly, a turbo upgrade requires larger injectors and ECU re-program. Sure he lists injectors before turbos but who would do the injectors without the turbos. I do not believe an aluminum flywheel increase hp. And 10 hp at that! No way. Show me the dyno. But what the heck. Stillen is as self serving as they come. He's in it for the almighty greenback. : Just got my copies of the new Stillen catalog and here's the new Stage chart according to them with approximate hp gain: : Turbo: : Stage 1: Stillen Hi-Flow Intake (20) : Stage 2: Stillen Exhaust (23) : Stage 3: ECU Upgrade (60) : Stage 4: Underdrive Pulley (10) : Stage 5: Ignition Upgrade (4) : Stage 6: Stillen Aluminum Flywheel (10) : Stage 7: Stillen Intercoolers (10) : Stage 8: Boost Controller (15) : Stage 9: Stillen Mid-Pipes (Test Pipes) (15) : Stage 10: Twin Hi-Flow and 555 Injectors (15) : Stage 11: Turbo Upgrade : Stage 11a: Stillen Turbo upgrade 1 (50) : Stage 11b: Stillen Turbo upgrade 2 (65) : Stage 11c: Stillen Turbo upgrade 3 (65) : Stage 11d: Stillen Turbo upgrade 4 (100) : Stage 11e: Stillen Turbo upgrade 5 (125) : Stage 11f: Stillen Turbo upgrade 6 (150) : Stage 11g: Stillen Turbo upgrade 7 (200) : Stage 12: Ported Exhaust Manifolds (10) : Stage 13: NOS (50) : Stage 14: Cams, Billet (35) : Stage 15: Extrude Hone Plenums (10) : Stage 16: Ported, Polished and flowed Heads (10) : Stage 17: Forged Pistons : Stage 18: Forged Billet of Titanium Con Rods : Stage 38D: Pamela Anderson now : Stage 38DD: Pamela Anderson six months ago : Non-Turbo: : Stage 1: Stillen Hi-Flow Intake (6) : Stage 2: Stillen Exhaust (13) : Stage 3: ECU Upgrade (11) : Stage 4: Underdrive Pulley (9) : Stage 5: Stillen Headers (21) : Stage 6: Ignition Upgrade (4) : Stage 7: Stillen Aluminum Flywheel (10) : Stage 8: Cams (15) : Stage 9: Extrude Hone Intakes (10) : Stage 10: Ported and Polished Heads (15) : Stage 11: NOS (50-75) : 1990 2+2 Stg IV+ : 1994 TT Stg III : Alex's World Regardz, Gregg '91 TT Stage IV
Follow Ups	Stillen's New Stage Charts >>> - Alex Lee (DE) 12:53:52 07/09/99 What's the ignition upgrade? (n/m) - Arnel [njoynmyz] 12:55:50 07/09/99 New HKS "Twin Power Ignition Amplifier" - Alex Lee (DE) 13:03:55 07/09/99 How much $$ - Carp 13:05:53 07/09/99 $440 List (n/m) - Alex Lee (DE) 16:31:14 07/09/99 Are they serious? This sounds like it would only make a > - GFunk 14:22:08 07/09/99 Agree I thought the Z ignition was more than enough??? (n/m) - RT 15:22:17 07/09/99 Pamela is back to her natural C cup. (n/m) - Gromit 12:58:18 07/09/99 And back with her abusive, no talent husband last I heard >> - GFunk 13:09:25 07/09/99 I was gonna say she does not have any talent either>>> - RT 13:11:25 07/09/99 I agree, especially without. (n/m) - Schwing 13:16:06 07/09/99 So true! Perhaps they are a good match for each other :-) - GFunk 13:37:18 07/09/99 No, I've seen Pamela at the Rainbow Club. Fully HOT!!! - BadJad 13:39:49 07/09/99 Hot with tattoos on arm and that trailer park bleac blonde>> - RT 14:11:39 07/09/99 Hey Motley Crew rocks...lol (n/m) - BadJad 13:28:07 07/09/99 With a new baby on the way!! (n/m) - TurboLuv 17:49:27 07/09/99 Maybe they will make some more cool AVIs LOL (n/m) - TurboLuv 17:50:49 07/09/99 According to these charts - PEwithaZ 13:02:30 07/09/99 Feel faster than stock TT? (n/m) - Tim_N/A 13:16:36 07/09/99 I ment this sarcastically (n/m) - PEwithaZ 13:33:38 07/09/99 Seriously, is JWT cams help? - Tim_N/A 14:00:23 07/09/99 Hard to say because I did it all at once (n/m) - PEwithaZ 14:22:04 07/09/99 15HP for boost controller? Huh? Gonna depend on setting(n/m) - DavidM 13:04:19 07/09/99 Very misleading and somewhat meaningless. Here's why... - ~2TURBOZ~ 13:06:45 07/09/99 I agree i have not seen anyone dyno these numbers>>> - RT 13:17:17 07/09/99 My dyno test at stage 3... - ~2TURBOZ~ 13:24:13 07/09/99 How many psi of boost did you run? - yipee (Chicago) 15:53:04 07/09/99 5-speeds do higher numbers.. - ZHOUND 16:17:52 07/09/99 aMany people do injectors without turbos. - ZHOUND 13:17:41 07/09/99 me too! & Yipee, too have 555's on stock turbos (for now) (n/m) - chrisZX 19:01:15 07/09/99 They forgot "Stage 1a: Stillen Stickers (3)" (n/m) - GFunk 13:12:47 07/09/99 I have that, but shame to show people -> inside engine bay. (n/m) - Tim_N/A 13:25:01 07/09/99 Same here! No need to advertise and every1 thinks I'm stock! (n/m) - Raj Sharma 13:40:52 07/09/99 HEHEHE That is the dumbest that I have seen :) intake=20 :) - Z-Xtasy 13:33:41 07/09/99 20hp for intake, but only 15hp for TEST PIPES!?!?>>> - RÚ$$ÉLL 15:13:14 07/09/99 Heres how I would have done it and a few comments---> - Kyle(Houston) 20:30:27 07/09/99 More On Turbo Upgrade 7 >>> - Alex Lee (DE) 00:03:10 07/10/99 not for race or street? a show-only turbo? ;) (n/m) - J.R. (phx) 00:57:29 07/10/99 "...Made Enormous Peak HP-But Only For About 1000 RPMs..." (n/m) - Alex Lee (DE) 01:10:45 07/10/99 And what good is that????........... - Kyle(Houston) 08:45:32 07/10/99
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